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Free market environmentalism by Walter Block Part 1



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Walter Block at the Fraser Institute explaining the relationship between free market economics and environmentalism.




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Jackriter (wrote): ... ( 3 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jackriter (wrote): "supposedly 'public' lands..."
Jack -- I would argue 99% of all pollution happens on subsidized land, gov't leased lands, or public land: Large Agri-Farms, Chemical Waste Dumping (legal or otherwise), Chemical Factorys - etc etc. There's no way to fix this in the commons -- the "greed" slides towards a small sector represented
by "senior" polliticians. The only way to fix it is to get gov't out of all markets. Central Gov't Only job should be Naval Oversight.
Jackriter: No ... ( 3 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jackriter: No hunting for ivory is not "capitalism" -- it is a regulated industry and people covet what they are not "supposed" to have. Privatize all the elephants, do not subsidize them, and you will never run out of elephants -- I can't say that some wont be used for Ivory, but I can say that the elephants will never come even close to extinction.
You ever heard of an extinct cow? Walter Block breaks this down quite smoothly.
Jack: I'll watch ... ( 3 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: I'll watch your video, but I can tell by the title this will only cause more debate, hahahaha.
I'll debate you on that page and let these good people be able to get a word-in-edge-wise, smile.
The cow has also ... ( 3 days ago by jackriter)
The cow has also not had any positive evolution because of farming because it hasn't needed to. Elephants are better in the wild endangered than in a cage.
Remember you're ... ( 3 days ago by jackriter)
Remember you're talking to an anarchist, no senior politicians here. I don't know about al the subsidies businesses receive from the government that stil pollute. I can vouch for the universal commons however, such as air. Air pollution is something ignored by privitisation and usually ends up worsened.
Jack: Cows are ... ( 3 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: Cows are subsidized (conventionally). Caged Animal Farming -- Factory farming is exeedingly subsidized by comparison. Tranquilizers - Antibiotics - Growth Hormones.
Elephants are not better off endangered than they would be privatized and free-range on privately protected lands. Just look what Ducks Unlimited did for Ducks and wetlands -- Privatized Land Management. When people pay 100% (zero subsidies) they take 100% care of their possessions.
Jackriter: If you ... ( 3 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jackriter: If you want communal land then you need "management" -- with management comes "lobbying" (groupists are "advantage" seekers - income distribution) and thus "senior" politicians; the latter are whom barter the demands of the worker, wealthy, and consumer -- the consumer being the most ignored and the most taxed.
The only individual is the Consumer - Self-Interest "free choice" - "free-responsibility" is Self-Rule, Self-Rule is Individual-Anarchism.
You do not, and ... ( 2 days ago by jackriter)
You do not, and stop using "groupists".
Workers are consumers. Ignore the whole sales thing too, I'm an anarcho communist, pointing out the way the market workds doesn't convince me.
So you think that ... ( 2 days ago by jackriter)
So you think that if subsidies were removed than factory farming would stop?
Jack: Allpeople are ... ( 2 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: Allpeople are "consumers" - regardless. But not all consumers are workers, unionists, welfarists, politicians, or the wealthy: nor is a consumer moral; yet if there is no coercion in him then he is. A consumer in an involuntary society abdicates his free-choice to toward a collectivist frame-work.
A consumer transforms purchases into energy (food, fuel, amusement, knowledge etc) not for resale. A worker transforms labor-fuel (derived from consumption) into "product-service"
Jackriter: Factory ... ( 2 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jackriter: Factory Farming is entirely inefficient if you study it from an energy-input standpoint and from a subsidy standpoint. #1 nearly 100% of everything used on that farm is subsidized (fully or partially) directly or indirectly. #2 the factory farmer is protected from pollution-tort -- this changed in American after the 1840's -- prior to that time the indiividual always won property damages. What changed? Lobbying and Regulatory-Power. Large Agri-Farm-Unions. How? Tenured Politicians
Animal farming is ... ( 2 days ago by jackriter)
Animal farming is always a misuse of resources (you're talking to a vegan) Primary consumers only metabolize 10% of what is eaten, so for every 10lbs of food given to animals only 1lb is produced, this is not because of subsidies and would still happen without them.
What makes ... ( 2 days ago by jackriter)
What makes unionists bad(unless you're talking about union buerocrats)? Welfare is $14 a day, don't complain unless you can live on it.
Jackriter: Welfare ... ( 2 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jackriter: Welfare is a lot more than $14 (try $50) -- there are opportunity costs to society when one person refuses to be productive (plz lets not argue regarding the true un-fortunates); but I've worked in welfare and can tell you 98% (or more) could but refuse to work or even look for work.
The other costs is the mental framework it sets up in the children. The least cost is the direct dollar amount. We pay out 93% of wages in taxes to cover all gov't waste (zero competitive measures).
Jack: No it is ... ( 2 days ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: No it is because of subsidies -- they set the prices of meat below market levels -- below the very costs you just named. And the animals are fed grains (mostly) a nearly 100% subsidized industry. The cost of grain to farmers with zero subsidies might be 10 times the amount they get now.
Enormous water rights must be stolen from one group of people and give to the farmer. I was trained as an economist -- you'll have to trust me on the Factory Farm Subsidy issue.
Well if you really ... ( 1 day ago by jackriter)
Well if you really want my opinion, welfare should be mandatory so that everyone can pay for food at least.
In Connecticut (where I live) welfare is $300 a month (if they don't have children) they do get subsidiesed housing though. $300 is absolute shit to live on and most don't get jobs because they don't want to work *for someone else*. The boredom associated with no money usually leads them to drugs
and crime.
Factory farms are ... ( 1 day ago by jackriter)
Factory farms are less expensive than normal animal farms because they take less land and the animals take less care.
Jack: You are ... ( 1 day ago by OctoBox)
Jack: You are kidding here right. Factory Farms are the most heavily subsidized (that's welfare - free money) and the most heavily given regulatory advantages (anti-tort from neighbors); Loan Guarantees (loan forgiveness) --- Large Agri-Farmers are still one of if not the biggest lobby in America.
So, yeah -- it costs the individual less because of the welfare -- but the cost to neighbors, water ways, and American Taxpayers is diplorable.
Jack: Welfarism and ... ( 1 day ago by OctoBox)
Jack: Welfarism and Reservationism have not helped the American Indian -- because there are more costs then just the low-lifestyle. Not just the tax-burden on working America. It is the dispiriting of entire sectors of society.
All societies - poor and middle class are the innovators/entrepreneurs. In a free-society this is the only way to make high profits - to give it to the poor and middle class innovators. Welfare strips creative faculty bare. I'm black-indian-irish (by way of cuba)
I say that all ... ( 1 day ago by jackriter)
I say that all workers (middle/poor ect) should have a right to what they need, and if they need X amount of things to invent something then they can have it.
I'm German/Irish/Cherokee (by way of rape and pillage)
Jackriter: "rape ... ( 1 day ago by OctoBox)
Jackriter: "rape and pillage" - that sounds horrible. Was it your mother or grandmother who was raped. What nation was she from -- the Tsalagi never call themselves "Cherokee" except to white people. Never to another Nation Person.
If the possibility for regulatory advantages exist for one group of people then all people will form groups -- Who's going to pay for it? Answer: The people who duck the slowest (the middle class) - they have too many assets to evade and not enough to avoid
Remember I'm an ... ( 1 day ago by jackriter)
Remember I'm an anarcho communist, so take out classes and regulations.
It was a joke, My great grandmother ws Cherokee but I was refering to the whole manifest destiny era.
Jack: "manifest ... ( 1 day ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: "manifest destiny era" gotcha *wink*
You are a little Anarcho-Commuist (pinches cheeks) -- adorable. Jack: I am not arguing against any form of Anarchism, I'm arguing Involuntary vs Voluntary societies and more specificially I'm arguing for a transitionary 93% Anarchy as a base - from there we can transition toward 100% Anarchy of o
ne form or another. We live in a 7% Anarchy - Let's transition to a 93% Anarchy. Property theft from the upper 46million (upper 28%) will not work.
Jack: I'm learning ... ( 1 day ago by GoGoOcto)
Jack: I'm learning to hone my arguments -- I'm getting faster at making my points; people do not like complexity.
Also, I'm building a vehicle that will carry this Anarcho-93 Model -- a Society that's truly free will have many benefits beyond just philosophy and socializing. Octo


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