Judaism influenced Zoroastrianism - Part 1



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------------------------ The Manuscript copies of the Avesta are between 1900 - 2300 years removed from the dates that are attributed to them with no other copies, commentaries or citations from other historical manuscripts. The Younger Avestan portions are at least 1900 years removed from the d
ate of the Bablonian Captivity of the Jews, and the Older Avestan portions are at least 2300 years removed from a generally accepted date of 1000 BCE, when Zarathustra is believed to have lived. ------------------------ The earliest Manuscript copy of part of the Avesta can be dated to the middle
of the 13th century of the common era (1300 CE). After that date other codices appeared. http://www.farvardyn.com/avesta4.php The oldest known copy of Zoroastrian or Avestan works is the Videvdad, or Vendidad. It was copied in 1323 CE in Nawsari, Gujarat, by the scribe Mihraban Kaykhusraw. http
://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/videvdad.html ------------------------ Compilation of the Avesta most likely started to take place in the 3rd and 4th century of the common era, this period was in the midst of the Sassanian Dynasty. "In the 3rd century, the Sassanian emperor Ardashir I (r
. 226-241 CE) commanded his high priest Tonsar (or Tansar) to compile the theological texts." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesta The 10th century (1000 CE) is the last historical reference to a gathering of the texts together. "The Avesta, also known as the Holy Book or the Prayer Book of the Zo
roastrians, was referenced historically as committed to writing in the mid-first millennium CE (Common Era)**note(1000 CE)**. Before this time it had been transmitted orally from one generation to the next." http://www3.sympatico.ca/zoroastrian/Avesta.htm "Nevertheless much of the collection (Aves
ta) survived as late as the 10th century CE" http://www.zoroastrian.org/articles/Avesta_An_Introduction.htm See Denkard in Wikipedia (It is a 10th century compendium) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denkard ------------------------




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First you're ... ( 1 month ago by JamesSverige)
First you're wanting historical accuracy in your video,but here you're trying to avoid it and that doesn't work. When a country takes a myth then rewrites it for themselves with a nationalistic twist, that is indeed borrowing.You use a wildly liberal and religious form of the word "truth" where the word farce would be more appropriate.I will try to use that line if I'm ever on trial for plagiarism,"it's not borrowed,it's simply part of the universal truth which is reflected elsewhere".Red Flag.
well first off the ... ( 1 month ago by doctorw2)
well first off the the faith of abraham was not called judaism until many centuries afterward zarathrusrta lived some 3000 years before abraham lived and God borrowing ideas has existed for many many centuries the hebrew word EL means god in the bible but, this word was taken from the caanite pantheon where EL was the chief god of all the other gods in the caanite pantheon such as baal and mot. so actualy its caanite thought which influnced judaism.
James, who said ... ( 3 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
James, who said anything about Myths! I believe that the Hebrew tradition is the most accurate account of mankind, and other cultures reflect those universal truths.
James, the word "Myth" is my Red flag for you. Would you care to address anything in regard to Zoroastrianism or are you just commenting off topic to waste everyone's time?
doctorw2, you are ... ( 3 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
doctorw2, you are correct that it was not called Judaism until later, but I am addressing Hebrew cultural influence upon Zoroastrianism. And by the way, do you know when Zoroastrianism was called Zoroastrianism? I can cite historical references that Z was born around 6th century BCE. So that would make the religion quite young. And it was the Hebrews who conquered the Canaanites primarily because of their polytheism so besides the name "EL" this proves very little. It is speculation my friend.
this is where you ... ( 3 weeks ago by doctorw2)
this is where you are in error hebrew thought was influenced by caanite theology this is well documented it had no influence at all on zoroastanism which was a unique faith in ancient times. I know that it was not called zoroastanism in the time of the zarathrustra but, that doesnt matter his ideas of heaven,hell,judgement, and a saviour greatly influenced judaism,christanity, and islam. as for the birth of zarathrustra that can not be accurately pinpointed.
it is a known ... ( 3 weeks ago by doctorw2)
it is a known historical fact that the hebrew word el is also the caanite word for GOD as is the hebrew word elohim meaning gods any scholar could tell you this heck you can research it on the internet. the hebrew language is related to the caanite language their alphabet uses the same symbols. GOD only tolerated this because this was the only language his people could understand since the original language of mankind became lost.
And you've done it ... ( 3 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
And you've done it again. In the Zarathushtra question of historicity you're clumsily attempting to use an archaelogic defence. But in the Sumer question of historicity you switch to a fiercely religious creationist defence. You've changed your model and you're fatuous if you think you can have it both ways. By showing that Judaistic mythology was influenced by the Sumerian mythology, one can realise that debating about Zarathushtra is a waste of time.
I'm sure your ... ( 3 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
I'm sure your listeners are wondering why you're so eager to change the subject and why you focus on such a minor point if you really think that your "universal truths" directly pertain to the Hebrew in the first place. By the way, stories that deal with deities are myths by definition so there is no use in begging the point.
Through the story ... ( 3 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
Through the story of Jesus we've seen exactly how easily so many pagan motifs were written into the life of Jesus as if they were history and were in fact not, and we've seen how easily the Israelites and rulers of the day consumed the stories as well. Modern Jews are often the first to point this out. Why would you be so positive that this wasn't the case just a few years earlier when it was the modus operandi just a few years later from the same culture? The burden of proof is on you.
Why is it so hard ... ( 2 weeks ago by ermadrio)
Why is it so hard for you to admit that the Jews were freed by Cyrus the Great of Persia? It is a historical fact. After that, Judaism was pregnant with Zoroastrian ideas. Alexander the Great is not great in the eyes of Zoroastrians. He was the accursed to them. He burned Persepolis. And with the ashes went the Zoroastrian writings.
James, If you'd ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
James, If you'd like to label me a creationist then that is your choice, and I see nothing wrong with seeing things from that perspective. It is not true that we can only see history from one perspective. In fact we should view history from as many perspectives as possible. You are free to speculate on what happened in history, as am I.
James, You may ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
James, You may believe the stories you wish and I will believe the stories I wish. My definition of a Myth does not pertain to my God, but you are free to call all gods as myths if you choose.
James, you bring up ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
James, you bring up Jesus? I am speaking in very general terms in my video. I have been only discussing primarily Jewish concepts of Messiah and yet you are wondering off into other discussions. At any rate even in the case of Jesus, your wrong and so are the scholars you read.
Doctorw2, You are ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
Doctorw2, You are wrong. Heaven, hell and judgment are all universal ideas anyway. The idea of a person of evil and good is also universal. So if Zarathustra wrote the Gathas when were the Gathas written?
Doctorw2, So first ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
Doctorw2, So first you say that Zarathustra lived 3000 years prior to Abraham and then you admit that we don't know when he lived. So tell me how we know that he lived prior to Abraham? And how is it you know so much about GOD tolerating other cultures? Did God tell you this?
Ermadrio, I don't ... ( 2 weeks ago by TruthCeeker333)
Ermadrio, I don't believe I ever denied Cyrus freeing the Jews. Moving on...would you care to cite the historical document which states that Judaism was pregnant with Zoroastrian ideas. You can't. But go ahead and try. In regard to Alexander, it is probably unlikely that he burned all of the Avestan texts with none surviving. It is more likely that the complete Avesta didn't even exist prior to Alexander. Most likely only the Gathas and not the bulk of the texts.
the gathas were ... ( 2 weeks ago by doctorw2)
the gathas were written in 1200 b.c. and during that time the ideas of heaven,hell,judgement,and a saviour were not universal ideas. and the idea of good and evil as mental concepts is definately not a universal concept. zoroastianisms is a very unique and advanced faith which emphasizes using rational thought rather than blind faith. as for the birth of zarathrustra even though his birth can not be acurately dated the greek historians place his birth around 3000 b.c.
Did you not read ... ( 2 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
Did you not read the whole comment to understand how it relates to the discussion about how Jewish concepts borrowed? Why are you even here? It's not a debate to just simply say "your wrong". Besides that, your comment shows you have no idea what your talking about. The issue was so great it had to be taken up in the apologies by Justin Martyr. Why don't you know this? Your "universal truths" isn't going to work either, it's just plain stealing.
Thank you, but I ... ( 2 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
Thank you, but I don't need your permission.
Your video isn't ... ( 2 weeks ago by JamesSverige)
Your video isn't about speculating unfortunately. The problem comes when you deny the same evidence that you rely on. I don't think I could have explained this any more clearly from the confines of these comment boxes. I know you're hoping to find evidence that proves the god of Israel. I hope you're open to evidence that could show the opposite as well. Then you really will be a TruthCeeker. Let's take a break now and honor all the gods born from a virgin mother on Dec 25th.
I must admit my ... ( 2 weeks ago by ermadrio)
I must admit my sources are limited. There are only three authors that I've read namely, Robert Charles Zaehner (THE DAWN AND TWILIGHT OF ZOROASTRIANISM); Mary Boyce (ZOROASTRIANS); AND Paul Kriwazeck (IN SEARCH OF ZARATHUSTRA).
The Dead Sea Scroll is laced with Zoroastrian ideas and principles. Zarathustra is earlier than what the historians are placing him to be. The style of writing of the Gathas cannot be 6th century B.C.E. Please read them.
In addendum, ... ( 2 weeks ago by ermadrio)
In addendum, Zoroastrians believe an entirely good God - Ahura Mazda. This God does not send Evil Spirit to Kings as what Yahweh did to Saul.
Don't agree with u, ... ( 1 week ago by 000AEG000)
Don't agree with u, sorry
snap out of the ... ( 6 days ago by talicohen)
snap out of the credulity. dimwits. there is no more evidence to justify a belief in the literal existence of Yahweh and Satan than there was to keep Zeus perched upon his mountain throne or Poseidon churning the seas.


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