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Penn Says: Guns and Freedom

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It is our right to bear arms but should we have that right? Is that really the question we should be asking though?
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Damn. I love Penn ... ( 3 weeks ago by ancalagon12321)

Damn. I love Penn from Penn and Teller. Who'd have thought he's really a raving mad ideologue of libertarianism? Not me, obviously :-(
The signs of a thinking person in the grip of an ideology are, sadly, all too easy to spot. See the fanatical hand-gestures and dismissive, closed-minded refusal to acknowledge the strengths of the opposing viewpoint. To acknowledge that in the real world one has to draw awkward lines rather than adhere to a childish dogma like "freedom or death".

i fucking agree... ... ( 3 weeks ago by weregarg)

i fucking agree...there are arguments for both sides. i think having guns will lower crime and give good people an equal footing. even more important is that we can defend ourselves from our gov., but Penn is right, freedom is more important that life, cause without freedom, life sucks dick

It wouldn't be fair ... ( 3 weeks ago by NamelessFlux)

It wouldn't be fair if we have the vote count only people who live in big cities as opposed to little Podunk towns. The way it works for the electoral college is each state will have it's own election vote and whoever wins that state gets X amount of delegates. So it's not like we have no say in the electoral college to begin with. This way the candidates would have to go to these people that they don't want nothing to do with. Sounds fair to me

preach it. Patrick ... ( 3 weeks ago by luckytwentyseven)

preach it. Patrick Henry kicks ass and is the truth. Get free, or lick the boot.

Agreed. I don't own ... ( 3 weeks ago by lombard34)

Agreed. I don't own a gun, I tend to consider myself a pacifist; but people have the right to own guns. I find it odd that liberals don't tend to support gun rights, it seems to me that gun rights would be something liberals would support and that conservatives would oppose. I suppose the answer is that liberals tend to live in cities and conservatives tend to live in more rural areas, I don't know. But if you believe in personal freedom, as liberals supposedly do, you should support gun rights.

My god.. How would ... ( 3 weeks ago by Verator)

My god.. How would the popular vote only count people in cities ? That makes no sense. If your saying what i think you're saying, areas don't get to vote people do. Any assumption otherwise is asinine.

If it were a ... ( 2 weeks ago by HirschDL)

If it were a popular vote system, candidates would spend most of their time in the big states: California, Texas, and New York.
What if a candidate said this:
"Who cares about the people in Montana? I'm not going there and listening to the change they want to see in government because there aren't enough people voting in that state."
That is what the founding Fathers feared.
The people as a whole should have a voice in government, not just the ones in the big states.

Because it is made ... ( 2 weeks ago by HirschDL)

Because it is made up doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I mean laws are just what some people think is morally right. Therefore, laws are "made up", an idea that everyone in a lawful society should follow, much like rights.

So everyone gets ... ( 2 weeks ago by Verator)

So everyone gets there vote watered down because Johnny Dumbshit wants to scream at a political rally ? That's pretty stupid. It doesn't matter who visits where they don't listen to you anyway. So your whole argument is you don't get to see the candidate in your state so they don't care about you? That makes a ton of sense!

My point is that a ... ( 2 weeks ago by HirschDL)

My point is that a guy from Ohio isn't going to think the same as a guy from Alabama. So, for a candidate to get a good sense of what the people want and need as a whole, he must visit them and talk to the people. And the electoral college helps that to happen.

So peoples votes ... ( 2 weeks ago by Verator)

So peoples votes get watered down so the candidate has to go to every state? That isn't very sensible. Why not just force the candidates to visit every state? Wouldn't that be more appropriate?

"give me liberty or ... ( 2 weeks ago by ninjasteve84)

"give me liberty or give me death" same argument I've used about all the 9/11 stuff and the bullshit patriot act. America gave up its freedoms because they are scared, hence the terrorists won.

Well, you should ... ( 1 week ago by utubehayter)

Well, you should hear Rothbard's "Left and Right" its on youtube - that will clarify why things are the way they are with liberals and conservative. And you are right, liberals (i.e. liberty minded people) do support guns rights, and in fact should be fanatic supporters of them, while conservatives would techincally be in opposition.

Well, people are ... ( 1 week ago by somor98)

Well, people are not going to be very free, if they are dead. Lol!

If I lived in the ... ( 1 week ago by itsbizbuz)

If I lived in the Us I would be for the right to own a nuke, so I could nuke the entire country starting by the NRA headquarters.

Except if guns ... ( 6 days ago by Okaruwazashi)

Except if guns empower the population to start interfering with one anothers freedom?
I'd say death is a pretty significant interference.

So do stones, ... ( 6 days ago by utubehayter)

So do stones, muscle and sharp objects.. can you ban those? Guns empower populations, they do not start interfering with the rights of others. That is dependent on the population - and if they are going to interfere with another's freedom, they are going to do it anyway. Except that with guns even the tiniest woman can take on a 500lb attacker.

Death is an ... ( 5 days ago by Okaruwazashi)

Death is an interference. If more people are dying, I think it is an issue. What this guy is saying is ridiculous. I never said anything about bans or even gun control.
Where do you get the idea that people will "do it anyway"? Peer-reviewed research?
I'm not going to argue with you, since most people have the same aim in the gun control debate. Namely, to preserve life.
This guy's idea that it'd be better to die than to be disallowed from owning a gun is very strange.

I agree. Most ... ( 4 days ago by steve0281)

I agree. Most assuredly more Americans will be killed. They're called "criminals" and the people killing them will be acting in self defense.

"An armed society ... ( 3 days ago by stjakk)

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein...

I am a maintenance ... ( 2 days ago by blindbrick)

I am a maintenance engineer, and I am fed up with safety in the industry. It is almost impossible to do your job.

The problem is, we ... ( 2 days ago by OolTube02)

The problem is, we all have a sense of self-preservation, and if our environment is disproportionately dangerous then our fears would prevent us from doing many things that we would otherwise choose to do.
So if our lives are in danger that also makes us less free. The dangers we face every day curtail our freedom.
And if we die then our ability to make choices is terminated permanently. So death is the ultimate cessation of freedom.
So this is bullshit.

Array ( 2 days ago by OolTube02)

> Well, people are not going to be very free, if they are dead. Lol!
Indeed. "Live Free or Die" is the slogan of a narcissist with delusions of being in superhuman control over their environment.
I guess successful and talented people are more likely to be inconsiderate assholes in that respect...

Life is necessary ... ( 17 hours ago by Braighs)

Life is necessary for freedom.
Freedom is necessary for happiness.
(that last statement is at least true for libertarians like myself)

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